And don’t tell me Dumbledore was that close to Voldemort in skill, Dumbledore could have done to Voldemort what Voldemort did to him when Riddle was forced to summon a shield, he was just avoiding killing Tom the whole time, a setback not held by Voldemort. But if the Head of Magical Law Enforcement isn't reading his files -. The gifs you show about Grindelwald are actually useless because whatever Grindelwald performs in the upcoming films, he will always be behind Voldemort and Dumbledore by statements which you are aware of. Good luck to him. Voldemort pretty much stomps Grindelwald. When Dumbledore claimed that their magical ability was equal he could have been taking the Elder Wand into account - Grindelwalds reign had been going on for quite some time and he could have assessed his current ability. Of course he had the advantage, see the above. Voldemort didn't need a snake to gain an advantage WTF are you on about. So Voldemort is allowed to use animals but not Dumbledore. Numerous statements illustrate this. Both are easily their favored, signature spells, but both use other spells all the time. Voldemort uses snake, nobody cares. The water cocoon is a non-fatal attack also, because it can just be used until Voldemort's stamina fail, not necessarily until death. Dumbledore didn't beat him, and Voldermort didn't claim his wand either. Most jinxes are a one KO anyway so whether they kill or not is irrelevant. I know you said that and most of my reply wasn't directed to you as a counterargument. The only thing that gives me pause is that Voldemort gave Dumbledore a close fight in this canon. That is a big power up, and difference in power. ^All that Proves the Elder wand gives huge boost in power. Yeah Dumbledore was "old", yet he still had the athleticism of a far younger man while Voldy was bordering his seventies and in a body corroded by the continued splitting of his soul. I personally don't think you can use feats from the FB series as argument because nothing suggests Voldemort and Dumbledore can't replicate it. okay. On the topic of the Elder Wand, it's clearly a small boost at their level. Physical comparisons are negligible. The HP films are also not considered canon or at least no feats are taken from them. Educated at Durmstrang, a school famous even then for its unfortunate tolerance of the Dark Arts, Grindelwald showed himself quite as precociously brilliant as Dumbledore. Dumbledore at his prime>Grindelwald>Dumbledore post prime>Voldemort, it's really that simple. He mostly uses The Killing Curse and Transfiguration but the thing is Transfiguration isn't used on humans so his ability to use it wouldn't be hindered. This is a Rape Kid. Dumbledore still owned Grindelwald. The point is we didn't see the duel run its full course. He has in every scenario never overstated his own abilities nor understated others. These beings were stated to have fought alongside Voldemort for multiple wars. He wouldn't fight confidently knowing that he can easily be killed. Yes it is, he could have possessed Harry at the start, why didn't he. Dumbledore even in old age was fast enough to easily blitz a 16-year-old Harry Potter, age didn't Hamper him. This thread, was full of just wanker and downplayers. Voldemort attacks first and Dumbledore vanishes, reappearing behind Voldemort. 90% of what Grindelwald did without the Elder Wand Snape could do. As though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. not to mention protego diaboliaca is ineffecient 1v1 because it takes nearly 2 to three seconds to draw the circle while voldy can effeciently use it in a second. Dumbledore was weaker despite the wand when facing Voldy as per what the text says, so no he wasn't more powerful. He even still uses it against Voldemort at the end, rather than a stunning spell. You don’t learn from your mistakes, Riddle, do you?". It could destroy horcuxes which is again>both of your feats. For all that we know, Dumbledore could have died had Fawkes not been there. He also has a lot of feats as backup. Pls, Voldy will lose without any Horcrux. Fact. Harry Potter canon confuses me. Source? Calm is not an emotion usually attributed to those close to death and Voldemort someone normally confident was terrified during that duel. we know that the elder Wand give him that amp because Like I said he was able to nearly destroy a city with the wand, when prior he couldn't even handle 20 wizards. This should be clear, when Both Dumbledore and J.K both say the same thing that Voldemort is more powerful than Grindelwald. Voldemort could have killed him, and will kill Grindelwald. Voldemort wins. Dumbledore sends a spell at Voldemort, which he blocks with a magic shield. @playerx-tr: Why? Statements says Tome stomps but feats says Gelert stomps. His duel with the dark lord shook him and he has recently gained an injury because his reactions are slower than they once were. The wand doesn't pick and choose who it powers up. "– I meant to, and that’s what did it. Voldemort gets restrained several times and Dumbledore uses the means at his disposal yet Dumbledore nearly died. If he had done this to Dumbledore in OOTP, then this would be a stomp imo. Plus, Dumbledore was only a “shade” more skilled than Gellert, which has nothing to do with power. Given the speed similarity, and the skill gap, I don’t see why Voldemort would win in that specific circumstance. Fact. And this site was made years ago. Grindewald on the other hand, is way more calm and collected, even in the face of death. Anyways for anyone who is still reading this Voldemort rapes Grindelwald badly....Then he makes Grindelwald cry like He did to Dumbledore who begged for death at the end of his life. Also in the films Voldemort destroyed the Hogwarts shield that approx. Who have they defeated for me to believe snape has no chance against them? what do you not understand about this? The clear answer is Voldemort. Hahahha, why would we do that? Grindelwald lost, Voldy didn't. they were just saying that because they hate or dislikes Voldemort; Dumbledore is correct here, it was later shown as well in their duel. I also do not think that the FB series are canon. 2. It was a Grindlewald who hasn't used magic for years, was old and likely malnourished, didn't have a wand, was unwilling to fight, and so on. Horcrux? Following that statement, I believe that Grindelwald is more skilled in battle than Voldemort. You are making claims based on nothing. As well as conjuring a shield able block a spell implied to be of significance from Dumbledore's Elder Wand. Nothing implies it correlates to actual duelling. Pretty clear to me Gellert is better in a side by side comparison. Pretty sure Voldemort is canonically superior. There is no sign of retreat, only attack . One reason that he uses Avada Kedavra so frequently is that it pretty much ends things very rapidly since it can't be blocked by a Charm, that and he's quite homicidal. And Dumbledore could have easily been factoring in the EW when he declared Gellert as an equal, the only accolades that prescribe them as equals without taking into account the EW are when they were teens. These are allies of darkness.